Authentic Voice of a Person. Reverse Chronological
Order. On the web. These are essential characteristics
of a online Journal or weblog.
Given the statements above, a well formed log entry would
contain at a minimum an author, a creationDate, and a
permaLink. And, of course, content.
As to content, a well formed log entry would have well formed
content: in the case of HTML, this would include characters
properly escaped, tags perfectly nested and closed.
Content would not be limited to HTML. It would include
images, audio, and video.
There would also be a number of standard extensions:
An authoring extension would contain the original form of the
content (perhaps with tool specific convenience syntax),
modification dates, and versioning information.
An "information engineering" extension would contain heads,
decks, and leads as described by
Jon
Udell.
A comment extension which would provide information on the
number, location, and content for comments, trackbacks, pingbacks,
and the like.
There could even be a Sponsored Links, as pioneered by Google -
advertisements that people want, and are clearly labeled as
such.
Footnote
At the present time, I would like limit the scope of
this wiki to
describing a conceptual data model of what
constitutes a well formed log entry. Out of bounds for the
moment is any discussion of serialization formats, fine grained
data types (lets discuss the whethers and whys of xsi:types
later). I'd also prefer to shy away from detailed discussions
about specific use cases in applications as of yet as, except as
specifically required to demonstrate the need for a specific entity
in the conceptual data model.
If you are willing to live within these bounds, please do
contribute to the wiki. Expand on the extensions on separate
pages. Link to more detail on attributes. Let everyone
know what are essential requirements for your application.
MIME types. A well-formed entry should specify the MIME type of each piece of content.
Time for a break from Linux for Poets, which is becoming quite fun... Sam has started a wiki and a weblog entry looking for the basic data elements of what he calls "a well-formed log entry", and by log, I would assume an online journal/weblog....
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Shelley has some good thoughts regarding Sam's effort to define an abstract data model for a "Well Formed Log Entry". I agree with her notion of getting away from the......
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Shelley,
I have to drive to a meeting in 5 minutes so I apologize for my brevity.
I agree with you on author, date and unique location. Especially the part about not limiting permalink to a HTTP URL.
I have thoughts on the following your description of content (category) which I seem to disagree with much of
grouping of related items (a collection of children)
Related items in what sense? If it is a log entry does this mean other log entries by the same author on the same topic hosted on the same site or something different?
Either way I dislike it.
content directly
Cool.
some variation of the content
This is a good idea but needs to be better defined. I can see alternates provided for audio or image content as variations of content.
Another like item
Again the vague term item. Isn't this redundant given the "collection of like items" mentioned previously. Can you clarify?
Dare: Shelley has comments enabled on her site. ;-)
Speaking of shelley's site... a typical weblog entry on her site is a collection of text and pictures. Occasionally, this is true of my site as well, however less often so.
Great idea Sam! Can you give any further guidance about what would be in scope for this excercise?
Would ideas about author identity be welcome? Example: Support for simple email identity or public key identity on a per feed or per item basis. What about advanced content versioning ideas? Example: I'm interested in full content diffs being supported in certain scenarios.
In my humble opinion, it's just a matter of time before these concepts work their way into the weblog data model and this seems like a perfect opportunity to capture current thinking. However, I'd like to ensure that I'm not way off base before throwing them into the mix.
Joe: why don't you jot down your ideas in for an IdentityExtension and lets see what people think. Don't forget to update the FrontPage to link to your proposed extension.
Sam, I don't know if this was intentional with removing the other MoinMoin default content: the UserPreferences wiki page, linked from the upper right in the template, lets users provide their names for use in the RecentChanges page. The page acts as a placeholder for calling the [[ UserPreferences ]] macro.
In my last post I mentioned that Sam Ruby is working on a model for a well formed log entry. Here is a link to his original blog post on this, Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry. Tim Bray has himself made some interesting comments in response to...
(SOURCE:Sam Ruby: Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry)-+1 Thanks Sam for taking the time to create the wiki and the blog post about this. <QUOTE>Authentic Voice of a Person. Reverse Chronological Order. On the web. These are essential...
I'm finally upgrading my RSS feed to 2.0 tonight. It's about time I had a creationDate Darn, now am I supposed to use content:encoded or xhtml:body? :-/ Or just <description>? I suppose I'll look at Sam's and Mark's to see what tags I should...
The Ws of weblogging. Sam Ruby has kicked off a fascinating discussion to distill the technical aspects of weblogging, in The Anatomy of a Well-Formed Log Entry. [dive into mark]...
I try catching up on reading of what’s happening in RSS World. Mark Pilgrim: How to consume RSS safely, Mark’s little prank showing RSS exploit and advice on 10 HTML tag stripping. Some background: RSS Validator ContainsScript, Minimize...
Sam, someone is editing the wiki and removing comments and links. This isn't going to work -- a wiki is supposed to be a community device.
And Dare, I was trying to be teasing yesterday, but you'll have to forgive me if I would rather address your comments in the comments to my post, to which they were directed. My trackback entry here is not a direct comment here, to be addressed here. Not really.
As a courtesy, would you mind copying your comment to that post?
Sam, I think that the link to my, Tim's, and James' entries on the model were appropriate, and they were deleted. And in another instance, when someone posted a reference to an existing RDF/XML model, I made a note about keeping things at higher conceptual level. I don't think it was antagonistic, but perhaps people thought it was unnecessary, or inappropriate, or messy. Maybe it was, but mine and I think it was Joe's and Danny's comments were deleted.
Not sure what one can do in the wiki now that won't get deleted.
I can back up Shelly's observations, there appeared to be a massive re-org of the main page and some links and comments did get dropped. I like the re-org, it makes things much clearer, and I chalked the omissions up as an accident. There is nothing I observed to indicate maliciousness in the deletions. I have since gone back and re-threaded some of the definitions I had added.
Sam, there's a file 'intermap.txt' that normally goes in the wiki's 'data' directory to enable inter-wiki links of the form Wiki:AnswerMe. If you don't want to enable that, I'll edit the links accordingly.
Ken: I've now copied that file into the data directory. FYI: the reason why my installation is non-standard is that I couldn't figure out how to get a 'farm' going, so I sorta fudged a few things.
Sam has started a discussion of what, in the abstract, are the components of a weblog entry. This is a great idea for a starting point, by concentrating on the what, and not the how. However, I do have some of the same reservations that Tim Bray...
Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry. sam's leading an interesting effort to define posts [via anil dash's daily links] I also like how Sam is using his wiki to complement his blog to loosely structure collaboration. Developing a shared...
Well Formed. Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry. sam's leading an interesting effort to define posts [via anil dash's daily links] I also like how Sam is using his wiki to complement his blog to loosely structure collaboration. Developing...
I think we should expand the scope of this just a bit, from "online journals or weblogs" to "syndicated content". There are a lot of interesting applications of syndicated content that have nothing to do with journals or weblogs......
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Yesterday Sam Ruby opened a wiki to develop a well formed log entry. Like Tim Bray, I'm not much for abstract discussion, but I'm willing to play along. While this has been and will continue to be interesting to observer, I'm not sure I'm sold on...
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Sam Ruby se pregunta sobre lo esencial y lo accesorio de una entrada en un weblog y ha abierto un wiki para discutir el tema. Mark Pilgrim va al grano y juzga que todo se puede resumir en qué,quien, cuando, cómo, y dónde. ...
(SOURCE:Sam Ruby: Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry)-+1 Thanks Sam for taking the time to create the wiki and the blog post about this. <QUOTE>Authentic Voice of a Person. Reverse Chronological Order. On the web. These are essential...
This follows on my earlier posts (here and here) referencing the discussion started by Sam Ruby on what elements make up a web log entry. One thing I would like to see is a permanent URI for the RSS rendering of a blog post with its full ......
Adina Levin posts that I'm somewhat concerned about the use of the wiki "because people can edit the pages, he's worried that people will go into loops, changing the meaning of content." That isn't exactly what I meant. I try and clarify....
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One of the more interesting pieces of the discussion on the Buddha-nature of log entries (blog entries, whatever) that was launched by Sam Ruby is the notion of how to identify one. Various versions of RSS have struggled with this one, and I’ve...
Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry. sam's leading an interesting effort to define posts [via anil dash's daily links] I also like how Sam is using his wiki to complement his blog to loosely structure collaboration. Developing a shared...
RSS 2.0 introduced the idea of a guid, an identifier that uniquely identifies an entry. When Sam called for a discussion of the essence of an entry, the permalink versus guid discussion began. The discussion has settled down and the concensus seems...
As the discussion on Sam Ruby's Well Formed Log Entry wiki has progressed a certain amount of consensus and clarity is forming that I summarize with my commentary added in. This exercise has been fascinating and sometimes quite a brain twisting...
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Sam, on the RecentChanges page is an RSS link that's throwing a KeyError exception. It's not something I've seen before, so I've no suggestions at the moment.
OK, I made a fix. There looks to be a clear but in the version of saxutils on this system (not handling attributes which don't have namespaces). Not having the authority or inclination to fix the common version of this saxutils method, I chose to make a copy of it in wikixml/util.py and make a fix locally.
A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only needs one field, and...
A week ago I quietly introduced a wiki to discuss the anatomy of a well formed log entry. It got a lot of interest. And a week later, it is still being actively developed. Wow. It seems that I am not the only one desiring a...
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Is it a single well formed log entry or is it the collection and presentation of resources that form the essential characteristics of a online Journal or weblog?...
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after months of trying to standardize on a set of best practices for rss usage in weblogs and related tools, sam ruby's experimental wiki has gathered...
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What others think of us: Aaron Swartz has set up a script to show you what ads google would put on your blog, were you to invest in adsense. Here's what google thinks of rW. What do you think is......
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Sam Ruby is leading an effort to create new a weblog format and API. There's a Wiki that's open for all to contribute to, and an impressive list of people who support the work. ...
Sam Ruby is leading an effort to create a new weblog format and API. There's a Wiki that's open for all to contribute to, and an impressive list of people who support the work. [Scripting News] Everyone is talking about this - but I chosen to use...
Dave Winer: Sam Ruby is leading an effort to create new a weblog format and API. There's a Wiki that's open for all to contribute to, and an impressive list of people who support the work.[Scripting News]...
Sam Ruby is <a href=\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1472.html\">laying down</a>, the concepts defining a weblog. An extremely useful step in the path to developing a better API for weblog tools. The <a...
Sam Ruby is bringing the community consensus building powers of wiki and weblogs together to help define a new syndication format , an archive format, and an editing protocol for weblogs. Sam kicked off the effort with a discussion of the anatomy...
On the front page of Sam Ruby's wiki, a well formed log entry is defined by its attributes, namely author, permalink, a date, and content (which may be one URI resource, or a related set of URI resources). This may sound familiar to many: $ ls -l...
Sam Ruby is collecting ideas for a new weblog data format. [via Scripting News] I see some pros and cons to this effort. Cons: RSS is already well established. It is simple, easy to implement and understand. In other words,......
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Sam Ruby's recent post "Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry" has struck a cord with quite a few in the Weblog Community. The task that Sam proposes is one that should allow us to move freely, utilizing and interacting with any weblog tool we desire....
Quest For Common Syndication Under normal circumstances this would be a very scary propositon - weblogs have reached hype status, and this means 800 pound gorillas are approaching the patch!. Why should we create our own blogsphere FUD. Well things...
Our echoes roll from soul to soul, And grow forever and forever. Blow, bugle, blow, set the wild echoes flying from Lord Tennyson's "The Splendor Falls" If one could typographically represent a blur, then that's what I would use now to annotate the...
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Sam's wiki discussion continues full throttle. The conversation and collaboration on the Echo wiki has been nothing short of amazing and the result good so far. Shelley Powers makes an excellent post to summarize the action so far. The pace is...
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Incidentally, my updating and maintaining of an XML Schema for RSS v2.0 should not in any way be construed as lack of support for the Echo Project started by Sam Ruby. To go on record, I completely support Sam's initiative, and I do expect that...
Sam Ruby’s Log Format Roadmap Wiki has generated some great comments there and elsewhere. The Roadmap proposes a fresh start and new API for the “Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry” to be used for archiving and syndicating weblogs....
Dave Winer is an incredibly interesting person. I just read that he's shutting down Scripting News and then went to bed. But I couldn't sleep. I just have to write down my thoughts. There's no one else that has this effect on me. An indirect cause...
A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only needs one field, and...
(SOURCE:Sam Ruby: Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry)-+1 Thanks Sam for taking the time to create the wiki and the blog post about this. <QUOTE>Authentic Voice of a Person. Reverse Chronological Order. On the web. These are essential...
I’ve read a lot of discussions that hint at certain things being needed for a typical weblog entry, from a set of basics for an entry to other things that might appear in an entry. That’s all well and good,......
A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only needs one field, and...
A .NET Developer's Guide to Windows Security by Keith Brown (via Craig Andera) Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry: 'nuff said. (Sam Ruby) Menu Power: extend system menu of every running application, it has some nice features: Set application...
A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only needs one field, and...
A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only needs one field, and...
A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only needs one field, and...
A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only needs one field, and...
A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only needs one field, and...
Many blog & RSS technologist/designers are working together to develop a new standard at a place, a Wiki being hosted by Sam Ruby, who works for IBM. Clearly that doesn't stop him from demonstrating a great deal of 4th Vertex......
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The Semantic Weblog.. A first draft of my contribution to Sam Ruby's Well Formed Weblog wiki. 1 Summary Packages of structured data are becoming post components. [PhilWolff] 2 Description The virtue of blogs has been their simplicity. Each post only...
Many blog & RSS technologist/designers are working together to develop a new standard at a place, a Wiki being hosted by Sam Ruby, who works for IBM. Clearly that doesn't stop him from demonstrating a great deal of 4th Vertex......
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Our echoes roll from soul to soul, And grow forever and forever. Blow, bugle, blow, set the wild echoes flying from Lord Tennyson's "The Splendor Falls" If one could typographically represent a blur, then that's what I would use now to annotate the Echo Project -- an online, collaborative, and extremely fast paced effort to define a conceptual data model of a weblog, and then to define politically neutral interoperability functionality, such as weblogging API and syndication format. The effort has had some discussion......
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Well, it's been a roller-coaster ride at the Minkery the last two days. My comments on Looking Glass got reported in the Seattle PI Microsoft page on Monday and the hit rate on webmink went up to 2 per second - 8650 visitors yielding 13,453 hits....
You win, Sam. You attract the lamest of lame spammers, lamer than any other group of spammers ever gathered together. lalocals redirects to bradleybaskin which redirects to a Geocities page (!) which has the page title New Page 1 (!!) and 1566 (!!!) links to pimphos. Oh, yeah, the folks at Google will never be able to figure that out. Straight to the top of the urban apparel heap for ol' Bradley Baskin, spammer extraordinaire!
(Spelling suggestion for Google: Go ogle. Heh. Always good advice.)
Two hot topics on the web this week - Six Apart and their handling of their community as they move from free to fee, and the truth about the conspiracy by JBoss LLC to manipulate their image on The Server Side. And two definitive responses from the...
[A publicly updatable version of this article is in the Atom wiki page WebDavVsAtom.] WebDAV and Atom share many similarities while also having quite a few differences. As Atom becomes less directly focused on the Anatomy of a Well Formed Log Entry...
Many blog & RSS technologist/designers are working together to develop a new standard at a place, a Wiki being hosted by Sam Ruby, who works for IBM. Clearly that doesn’t stop him from demonstrating a great deal of 4th Vertex......
4 Simple Steps to create ATOM feed for your web app
On Monday, 16 June 2003 at 3:27pm, Sam Ruby published another post on his blog. It was no ordinary post. It was about the Anatomy of a well formed log entry . It was this post which evolved from a discussion on his post, to a wiki to create an open...
...the previous personalised BBC homepage This post is part of the tenth birthday celebrations of bbc.co.uk The freshly redesigned BBC homepage comes complete with a swishy new interface that allows users to customise the way the page appears to...
The Atom Publishing Protocol could be the biggest thing to hit you in programming that you never heard of. If you do a search for Atom Publishing Protocol or AtomPub as it is also known, you will only get obscure......
Interesting Times Based on discussions so far, it looks like the offer would be to work for Omri Gazitt, or possibly John Shewchuk. We’ve discussed a number of possible roles, most of them focusing on Open Web activities, either...
Here’s a sample activity from the Open Social REST protocol (v0_9): [link] some activity 2008-02-20T23:35:37.266Z urn:guid:example.org:34KJDCSKJN2HHF0DW20394...
Learning from our Mistakes: The Failure of OpenID, AtomPub and XML on the Web
I’ve now been working and blogging about web technology long enough to see technologies that we once thought were the best thing since sliced bread turn out to be rather poor solutions to the problem or even worse that they create more problems...
I’ve been meaning to write on this topic for a some time and to explain how I’ve gone from being an advocate of RSS/Atom feeds, Atom Publishing Protocol and things bloggy to being a proponent of Linked Data ( video ), Semantic Web, RDF and other...
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