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Bill de hÓra Social graph aggregation and fluidity allows for better cross-selling. All those recommendation algorithms of the form “you like/bought x and y likes/bought x, you and y might have something in common” work better with larger data sets. Especially if you can jump verticals - such as connecting data to facebook. So it’s gonna happen one way or another.

Dare seems to think that the root problem is oppression by the “man”.  In this case, a 23 year oldBrad seems to view this as a technical problem.

It turns out that I was a Facebook user long before the current wave started.  As an alumni of the school that my son attends, Facebook provided another way to keep in contact with my son.  Given what I know, I feel that technically what Brad wants to accomplish is achievable, no matter what motives Dare wants to impugn on Mark, et. al.

I personally think that #4 is a distinct possibility.  There is a reason that college students refer to Facebook as Stalkerbook.

A few anecdotes.  First, last year when I went to pick up my daughter from school, the line was too long so I simply went into a nearby parking lot and texted my daughter with the location.  Her friend was shocked — and not at this trivial use of texting, but by the fact that my daughter’s dad actually texted.  There is an expectation by the youth as to what certain technologies are to be used for.  While email is for talking to parents and teachers, Facebook and texting is for teenagers.  And while my two kids and one nephew are Facebook friends, I have two nieces which aren’t.  The fact that I’m their Uncle Sam who merits an immediate hug whenever I’m in town does not mean that I merit access to their Facebook profiles.

Second, and perhaps more significantly, like 2,085,347 others (and counting!), my daughter has installed the Facebook Mobile application.  This means that while she is out and about, she can take a picture with her cellphone, upload it, and have a dozen people comment on it before she gets home.

Among other things, this will enable the equivalent of a decentralized HollaBack function.  And predictably, not everybody will be happy about that:

Not surprisingly, Hoyt himself disapproves of such tactics. In his account, the perpetrator is Nguyen, who misread his intentions ... and then humiliated him by posting his picture on the Web. He says he didn’t even realize he’d been photographed. “Even so, I wouldn’t imagine somebody throwing it up on the Internet for millions of people and destroying your life like that,” he says. “It’s one thing to take it to the police. But on the Internet, I read a lot of people saying, ‘That was not too cool of her. That was really screwed up.’ ”

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“The fact that I don’t know of such an application means one of four things is happening:”

or #5, the Facebook API TOS prevents it. (This was my understanding from a talk at the RDU BarCamp; I have not yet read the TOS myself.)

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There do seem to be TOS issues with exposing Facebook data in more accessible ways. 

I think Section 2, Part B, #1 is the relevant passage:

1) Your Facebook Platform Applications may display Facebook Properties retrieved through Facebook Platform in any format you choose, subject to the terms and conditions contained in this Agreement; provided that, you may not (a) display or otherwise provide any Facebook Properties to any person other than the Applicable Facebook User (i.e., the Facebook User uniquely associated by Facebook with the Call through which such Facebook Properties were retrieved), or (b) otherwise display or provide (or assist any third party to display or provide) to any person any Facebook Properties that such person would not properly have been able to access through the Facebook Site. For the avoidance of doubt, the foregoing will not prohibit you from displaying or providing information that you collect entirely independently of the Facebook Site and Facebook Platform, even if such information is identical to information contained in Facebook Properties;

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Ben: those terms don’t seem to preclude an application providing the data to the user, and then leaving it up to them to publish the data (provided the data falls under the heading of “User Content” from the TOS).

You’d need to be careful about how much information about other people to export though — if I have marked someone as my friend, presumably that counts as my data, but can I publish the name of that person?  That seems to be their user content ...

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On Data Point 2 it is entirely possible. I’ve created a prototype showing how this can be achieved at [link].

Basically it’s an OpenID Provider allowing you to make your Facebook account a little more portable. In its current incarnation it supports a basic demo implementation of the OpenID attribute exchange protocol which allows you to supply your friends lists to other sites supporting OpenID and also allows you to use the Facebook authentication to login to OpenID Consumer sites..

But Dare is correct one one point, Facebook don’t allow access to the traditional means of uniquely identifying users like email etc. I hope to publish an update tomorrow which shows an alternative to reconnecting with users on other networks. (A sample attribute exchange consumer is running on [link])

It’s pretty borderline and without the full-blown opt-in from the user before disclosing certain Facebook Properties  as mentioned in the TOC (even if it’s a trivial as a firstname) it would probably inhibit a commercial implementation. Interesting nonetheless :)

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Even if it was all allowed, the API still doesn’t give you access to posts on your Wall, the original core of Facebook (AFAICS).

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