Mark Nottingham: I think this sort of thing is going to happen more often, not less. Microsoft and Netscape unilaterally extended the Web with MARQUEE and BLINK, and it was ugly, but the impact wasn’t nearly as bad as countless Web developers all extending the Web in their own way could be. The onus is clearly upon organisations like the W3C and IETF to make themselves as transparent and approachable to developers as possible, so that the latent experience and expertise in them can be drawn upon by these innovators, instead of being seen as either irrelevant or impediments.
The current HTML5 definition normatively defines rel values on a wiki page, and even specifies compliance criteria for conformance checkers based on this information.
Those that defined rel=canonicaldidn’t consult the wiki, and I see no evidence that they considered the overlap with rel=self (which also wasn’t in the registry at the time, in fact it still isn’t now).
Twitter (the apparent raison d’être for this function) doesn’t yet support this. It may never.
Analysis:
There is too few data points to conclude that there is any acceleration going on. The data we have is consistent with acceleration. It also is consistent with there being a few minor relationships being defined a year, and a “major” one being defined every other year or so, randomly skipping some years, and doubling up occasionally.
Based on the definitions provided in RFC 2119, it would make more sense if HTML5 deprecated rather than omitted rev.
shorturl is simply better. It also is not (yet?) on the wiki page. In its place is an apparent edit war defining different names (still in flux). Classic bikeshed.
If transparency and approachability are the solutions, then we need something radically more transparent and approachable than a wiki page. Now that’s a sobering thought.
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"# There is too few data points to conclude that there is any acceleration going on. The data we have is consistent with acceleration. It also is consistent with there being a few minor relationships being defined a year, and a “major” one...
Sam Ruby: Canonical Reverse Or Wisdom Defying Shorturl?
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rel=shortlink is in the Wiki, and I’ve implemented it for my site. Take but a moment if the decision is to go with shorturl. However, it would help to have something sanctioned before all of this fragments even further. Having a hissy over rev=canonical versus rel=shorturl should not be taking our time.
From today’s WhatWG IRC : hsivonen: I can imagine all sorts of blog posts about evil HTML5 raining on the rev=canonical backpattery parade svl: Mostly (from what I’ve seen) it’s been "let’s all use this en-masse, so html5 will be forced to...
Short links are everywhere these days, thanks to Twitter and others. But, they have several structural problems. Here’s a modest proposal to fix up those issues, if only CMS vendors and blog engines go along....
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Your link to the wiki page history is time-sensitive and will not make contextual sense as the edit war gets older. I think it’s possible to specify time offsets or edit clusters as part of the arguments to mediawiki, but I don’t know them.
Short links are everywhere these days, thanks to Twitter and others. But, they have several structural problems. Here’s a modest proposal to fix up those issues, if only CMS vendors and blog engines go along....