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I thought Mark Pilgrim did a \",[\"a\",{\"href\":\"http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/04/18/enough_already.html\"},[\"funny parody \"]],\"on \",[\"a\",{\"href\":\"http://scriptingnews.userland.com/2003/04/18#When:4:01:26AM\"},[\"something\"]],\" Dave Winer wrote yesterday, with some...\"]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T12:54:00-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050790194\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050772194\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://jankowski.bigwhoop.org\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"64-214-222-24.nrp3.mon.ny.frontiernet.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Matt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Dave,\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"CSS is not 'full of bugs'.\\u00A0 It's a spec on how to apply style to markup - no bugs there.\\u00A0 Browsers, on the other hand, do have css bugs, and don't support CSS as fully as we'd all like.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"The example you cited (the Harvard site) was so simple an application of CSS+markup that failure to successfully achieve what you wanted can only be seen as a lack of understanding about how CSS works.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"As Brad said, there are explanations of how and why css + good markup are good for everyone, and these articles are all over the place.\\u00A0 Please don't confuse your unwillingness to learn about the technology as a shortcoming of the technology itself.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T13:09:54-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050790886\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050772886\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.pocketsoap.com/weblog/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"adsl-67-113-138-114.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Simon Fell\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Feeling kinda prickly today Dave ?\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T13:21:26-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050791143\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050773100\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"trackback\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Mt. Molelog\\n\"]],\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://molelog.molehill.org/blox/Computers/Internet/WinerWhiner.writeback\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"More WinerStuff\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"I’m not looking for things to be annoyed at Dave Winer about, honest.\\u00A0 They just keep appearing.\"]],\"\\n
Dave wrote a whine about CSS (which includes the rather odd implicit breakdown of all browsers as either...\"]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T13:25:00-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050792922\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050774922\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://pyds.muensterland.org/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"pD950C26E.dip.t-dialin.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Georg Bauer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"He, this mudslinging is fun. Give me a pint of stout and I feel right at home :-)\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"But to get on topic: of course, CSS implementations have bugs. Of course, sometimes it's just easier to go back to table based layouts with typical stuff. But there is really no reason to be that much pissed about CSS as Dave seems to be - it's a technology in it's startings, so give it some time to evolve. Basic stuff is so good nowadays that you can dump most layout tags already, the only thing where implementations definitely are lacking is column support. But even that will work, one day.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"So if something doesn't work, do what works for you, but do it according to standards - and you won't be bitten too much with later releases (except if you go the XHTML route :-) ). And other people might thank you for providing content that is accessible to them.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Really no need to call other people assholes about technology.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T13:55:22-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050795425\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050777425\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://blog.kynn.com/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"c-24-126-104-86.we.client2.attbi.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Kynn\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Me! Me too! I'm an asshole also!\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"--Kynn\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T14:37:05-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050798110\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050780060\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"trackback\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"El Refugio\\n\"]],\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://refugio.f2o.org/archivos/000549.php\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Winer ataca de nuevo\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Dave Winer de Scripting News, uno de los weblogs que m\\u00E1s tiempo tiene en funcionamiento, volvi\\u00F3 a quejarse contra el......\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T15:21:00-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050798672\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050780672\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.franklinmint.fm\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"pool-68-160-200-85.ny325.east.verizon.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Robert Sayre\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"There are articles all over the place about why tableless valid XHTML 1.1 w/CSS-p or whatever is the way to go. The problem is, most of them are wrong. The best way to get great looking, display bug-free sites is to write almost-valid HTML 4 with tables and CSS text treatment. Your HTML will be bulkier (you are using mod_gzip, right?) and render a touch slower, but it will work in every browser since NS4 pretty damn well. \"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Browser implementations have pretty much converged with this type of markup... why actively seek out areas where they differ? The conventional answer is \\\"uh, cell phones and palm pilots,\\\" but you have to change the structure of interaction for those media, not just the presentation. Blogs are just about the only type of site where you could conceivably reuse the same markup for portable apps. However, sites that get away with this are probably not using HTML very well. Would this very page be usable on a cellphone with a different stylesheet? Doubtful.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T15:31:12-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050801824\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050783824\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/dbox/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"sttldslgw27poolD192.sttl.uswest.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Don Box\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"I believe I referred to myself as an asshole earlier this week.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"It would be great however to have that validated by someone else. \"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Sam, Dave, Simon, or Mark, can you call me an asshole so I don't feel left out?\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T16:23:44-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050802287\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050784287\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"trackback\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Jeff Szymona\"]],\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.szymona.net/archives/2003/04/19/whiner_is_about_to_blow.php\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Whiner is about to blow\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"I've never bothered to say anything about Dave \\\"I invented blogging\\\" Winer before, but this is just outrageous. Mark Pilgrim made a very good post about standards, relating CSS and RSS standards, and Dave has gone so far as to...\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T16:31:27-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050803144\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050785144\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.pocketsoap.com/weblog/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"adsl-67-113-138-114.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Simon Fell\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Don, XML sucks, you're an asshole!\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T16:45:44-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050804212\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050786212\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0100130/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"bnh-3-21.mv.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Seidel\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"We're all assholes!\\u00A0 \",[\"b\",{},[\"All\"]],\" software sucks! And the internet sucks too!\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I think I'll go lie down now.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T17:03:32-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050810416\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050792416\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"slip-32-100-234-38.ca.us.prserv.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Sam Ruby\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Wow... I'm with family today and missed all the fun.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"All I will say is that when one finds themselves painted into the corner, it makes no sense to blame the walls.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T18:46:56-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050810507\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050792507\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.scripting.com/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"h0003932278f8.ne.client2.attbi.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Don you are definitely an asshole. I knew that the first moment I set eyes on you. Sorry I didn't say it sooner.\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T18:48:27-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050810586\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050792586\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.scripting.com/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"h0003932278f8.ne.client2.attbi.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Kynn, you are an asshole. Definitely.\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T18:49:46-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050810734\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050792734\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.scripting.com/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"h0003932278f8.ne.client2.attbi.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"And look at all the self-righteous idiots making proclamations here about this and that, as if anyone who mattered was paying attention. What pathetic mindless idiots you all are. Don't you get it. The Internet won't make you rich, or famous, or happy. CSS isn't a cause. You can't beat Microsoft. It doesn't matter. If you want someone to blame, blame your mommy for giving birth to you. Life sucks doesn't it.\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T18:52:14-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050811175\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050793175\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.scripting.com/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"h0003932278f8.ne.client2.attbi.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Since Sam's site appears to be the designated flamepool for this particular thread, I'd like all you mindless idiots to take a look at the site in question.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[[\"a\",{\"href\":\"http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/crimson1/\"},[\"http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/crimson1/\"]]]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"There. Do you feel even more stupid than usual? The site is CSS-based. Time to brush up on your link-clicking skills?\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T18:59:35-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050811763\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050793763\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"trackback\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"All Things Distributed\"]],\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://weblogs.cs.cornell.edu/AllThingsDistributed/archives/000044.html\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"A Harvard Scholar & Name Calling\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[\"The was something that bothered me when I\",[\"br\",{},[]],\"\\n\",[\"a\",{\"href\":\"http://weblogs.cs.cornell.edu/AllThingsDistributed/archives/000043.html\"},[[\"br\",{},[]],\"\\nfollowed\"]],\" the rowdy comments at\",[\"br\",{},[]],\"\\n\",[\"a\",{\"href\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1345.html\"},[\"Sam Ruby's log\"]],\"...\"]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T19:09:23-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050812688\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050794688\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Uhhhhhhhhh..........\\u00A0 Don, I'm not Sam, Dave, Simon, or Mark, (and You don't know me from AKMA), but if You need Your assholeness validated by someBody else.. well what does THAT say in and of itself...;-D\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Now.. I'm trying to decide which camp I wanna belong to...\\u00A0 \"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"..The assholes or the mindless idiots.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Don't wanna spread m'self TOO thin, Ya know.\\u00A0 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... ...\\u00A0 Dag, hafta sleep on this-un.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"BOTH SIDES should quake with fear, 'cause I don't do things half-assed (not that I'm committing yet).\\u00A0 Hate-ta say but some-a You are jes plain AMATUEURS at being assholes, and when it comes to mindless, You ain't even got a half-way decent start.\\u00A0 You gotta be mindful, before You can REALLY be mindless, Ya know.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Getting down off my pretend-SOAP-Box...;-D\\u00A0 This isn't about technology much a-TALL, but almost certainly about personal and professional jealousy...\\u00A0 What I'd like-ta know is how Women ever built up the mythology that Females are superior at emotional emasculation, in the first place.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Heheh...\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T19:24:48-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050813509\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050795509\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Werner, I briefly called myself attending Cornell (lawd ha' MUHcee) about 35 years ago.\\u00A0 I went for a year-and-a-quarter but, unfortunately, Cornell was on the semester basis, at least at that time.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Fellow student told me that Harvard was much, MUCH tougher to get inta, but once You got in it was a cakewalk.\\u00A0 (Course Cornell was His second choice and He'd be declined at Harvard.. so...;-)\\u00A0 Recall seeing an article that new Prez of Harvard expressed similar concerns, in the past 6? months.\\u00A0 So, perhaps, the more things change the more they stay the same.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"There seems to be a meme going around, especially in the past couple decades or centuries, that if You're REAL good then You can get away with things the rest-a-us mere mortals can't get away with.\\u00A0 I don't think that's a Harvard thing (though perhaps they have the science honed down a li'l better than most...;-)...\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T19:38:29-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050814705\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050796705\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.scripting.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"pool-68-160-200-85.ny325.east.verizon.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"look, I'm also Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T19:58:25-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050814913\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050796913\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"trackback\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Bill Kearney\"]],\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.ideaspace.net/users/wkearney/archives/entries/000275.html\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Keeping digging\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Winer, once again, proves what a real jerk he is. Sam Ruby and others keep hoping Dave will somehow wise......\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:01:53-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050814966\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050796966\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"I'm slow on the uptake-a that-un, Dave... ?\\u00A0 FAIK, (fer as I know), You THE-one-and-ONLY Dave Winer (of Harvard)...??\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Also, I used-ta be good at math (actually VERY good)...\\u00A0 Noticed that it was ACTUALLY 30 years ago.\\u00A0 (Must-a slipped a decimal point, or fergot-ta carry the one...;-)\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:02:46-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050815008\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050797008\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.scripting.com/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"h0003932278f8.ne.client2.attbi.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Hey Bill, if we're all assholes, you're something else entirely. Maybe a war criminal. ;->\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:03:28-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050815599\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050797599\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Having read Bill Kearney's trackback, I feel for both-a Youse.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"AnyBody that puts theirSelves out there in any (even-semi-)\",[\"i\",{},[\"REAL\"]],\" way is gonna eventually look foolish at times.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Been there, done that.\\u00A0 And been criticized (from what I've seen) a \",[\"i\",{},[\"lot\"]],\" \",[\"b\",{},[\"harsher\"]],\" than what You guys have.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Anyhoo, can someBody please remind me:\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Where is this discussion going and how is this, in any way, improving the technology...??\\u00A0 (I ferget...;-)\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:13:19-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050815605\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050797605\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://diveintomark.org/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"rdu74-154-252.nc.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Mark\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Well, while I was out having fun and doing Bikram Hot Yoga, this thread has completely gone to hell, so it's probably not worth trying to respond rationally here.\\u00A0 Well, maybe briefly:\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Dave, your argument against CSS seems to be that Microsoft has locked up the browser market, so you see no reason to test with competing products.\\u00A0 My site statistics show this to be a misconception; MSIE use is just below 65% of my browser-using visitors, down from ~80% a year ago.\\u00A0 Yes, that's still a majority, but a dwindling one, as other competitors have matured (Opera now supports scripting properly, Mozilla is faster and has broken off into several derivative products targetting various niche segments).\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Simply put, Microsoft tried to take over the browser market, and they failed, and they are now actively losing ground.\\u00A0 What are you doing to accelerate this process?\\u00A0 In 2000 you listed your \\\"mission critical software\\\" and said you used MSIE every day.\\u00A0 Back then, MSIE was probably the best choice.\\u00A0 But have you tried alternatives since then?\\u00A0 Have you tried Mozilla or any of its derivatives?\\u00A0 Have you tried Opera, a commercial browser from a small, independent software company?\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:13:25-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050815915\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050797915\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Thanks for answering my question so \",[\"i\",{},[\"promptly\"]],\", Mark...;-)\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"And I whole\",[\"i\",{},[\"hearted\"]],\"ly agree with the part of Yer blog that Sam quoted.\\u00A0 Nonetheless people, such as m'self, that use IE are not the trunk either.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:18:35-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050816047\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050798047\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Sheet...\\u00A0 P*ss-poor metaphor.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Should-a said, \\\"not the immediate problem either, that can, should, or will be fixed.\\\"...!\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:20:47-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050816582\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050798582\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.scripting.com/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"h0003932278f8.ne.client2.attbi.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Mark I have no argument against CSS.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I merely said I was fed up with it.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I'm done arguing. I'm solving problems.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"This is like an Adventure game. You guys keep guessing at what I'm saying, yet what I said is in plain text, available in multiple formats, in English, a language which I believe you all read. It's not so difficult. CSS was making my site and my users' sites look bad. What else do you want to know?\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"About MS failing to take over the browser market, that's an interesting opinion. What evidence do you have of their supposed failure?\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:29:42-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050817030\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050799030\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.scripting.com/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"h0003932278f8.ne.client2.attbi.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Dave Winer\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Check this out. \"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[[\"a\",{\"href\":\"http://www.edwardbear.org/blog/archives/000161.html\"},[\"http://www.edwardbear.org/blog/archives/000161.html\"]]]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I agree with what he said. The charm of HTML is that it is easy.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:37:10-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050817526\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050799526\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"\\\"look, I'm also Dave Winer\\\"\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Yeah, it's in English and I'm still guessing.\\u00A0 If You think I'm a Dave-Winer-wannabee.. well, the joke's on You...!!\\u00A0 (And apparently You overlooked the gentle chiding in my post, Dave.)\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"If something else, then the joke's on me, and I don't get it.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Either way, I hate to post this if it's gonna take the thread TOO far off it's current direction.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I'd also like-ta know if industry figures confirm the trend Mark's finding (n-sample being, perhaps, skewed).\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T20:45:26-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050818672\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050800672\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"Okay, I went, I saw, I wasn't \\\"conquered\\\"...\\u00A0 I agree with the PRINCIPLE, however.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"\\\"most extensibility covers the 2% of features that aren't already present. 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We understand yoo!\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"\\u201CThis is the way, step inside\\u201C Okay, so Dave Winer ranted, and Mark Pilgrim parodied it, and then Dave Winer, um, exploded, spewing Manila-fragments all over poor Sam Ruby\\u2019s weblog. ...\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T21:35:28-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050820965\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050802965\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"trackback\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Jim Mangan's Weblog\"]],\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.wilddog.com/mt/archives/000137.html\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Try and follow this!\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Comments on MSIE and CSS Mark Pilgrim: Instead only try to realize the truth. There is no trunk. Then you'll...\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T21:42:45-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050821525\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050803525\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"\\\"freeform goodness\\\" Ya say...?!?\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Mark \\\"exploded\\\", or upped the ante depending on POV, in the self-called-\\\"parody\\\".\\u00A0 Yeah, and Dave escalated and... ... ...\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Takes TWO to get it escalated to this point, so whaz the point in avoiding chicken-and-egg by pointing fingers at who started it.\\u00A0 Besides, these kinds of personal invective escalate from some prior experience between the two arguing, anyway.\\u00A0 \"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I believe that was an indirect point in the quote that initiated this thread.\\u00A0 Yet, obviously?, the trunk exists regardless.\\u00A0 At times moreso in One, at times moreso in another One.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Time-ta get some supper...\\u00A0 G'nite.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T21:52:05-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050824182\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050806182\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.freeke.org/ffg\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"bgp992001bgs.mlvind01.mi.comcast.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"d.w.\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[\"Yeah, my \",[\"a\",{\"href\":\"http://www.live365.com/stations/20005\"},[\"radio stream\"]],\" is both freeform and good -- yewgotaproblemwiththat?\\u00A0 (I didn't ping this weblog, btw, so I'm wondering how my out-of-context diglet [filed locally as \\\"/humor/people\\\"] ended up here...)\"]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-19T22:36:22-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050826660\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050808660\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"trackback\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"wantingseed\"]],\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://wantingseed.com/weblog/2003/04/19/get_over_yourselves.php\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Get over yourselves\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"This (punch, counterpunch, fallout) is what happens when self-important nerds go to war. 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But here I am typing, about how geeks argue. Dave winer rants on scriptingnews.com: I used to work reasonably well with designers until CSS came along. Now my writing is supposed...\"]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-20T04:38:25-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050846387\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050828387\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://radio.weblogs.com/0101546/\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"dhcp065-024-022-195.columbus.rr.com\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"jt\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"\\\"Objective\\\"...\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Easier said than done...\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"\\\"I see writing on the wall...\\\"\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Yeah, right.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I been in the computer biz for 25 years, and heard this a time or two too many.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I've heard HUNDREDS of people CLAIM they see the writing on the wall, from Bill Gates to Steve Jobs to Dave Winer.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"So what is this writing You see...?!@?\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"And where most-a the above go back and quote the few times they actually DID see the writing on the wall..\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"..there are a hundred examples of when they couldn't even p*ss on the wall if their lives depended on it.\\u00A0 They, for some odd reason, don't go back to quote those comments, 'course.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"So I'd like to see this in writing, so We can all go back five years from to see how close You ACTUALLY were..\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"..to seeing the handwriting on the wall.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"(See the cover of the album \\\"Who's Next\\\" to get my initial instincts on Your comments.)\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-20T04:46:27-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050846777\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050828777\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.freeke.org/ffg\"]],\"\\n \",[\"ipaddr\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"bgp992001bgs.mlvind01.mi.comcast.net\"]],\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"form\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"d.w.\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Matrix reloaded\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{\"type\":\"xhtml\"},[[\"div\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\"},[[\"p\",{},[\"What is this, \\\"Whip 'em Out Wednesdays?\\\"\\u00A0 I'll type this very slowly, so the drunk among you can understand...\\u00A0 I posted a quickie throwaway entry, in the HUMOR section of my weblog, which is suddenly somehow an attack (?) on Dave Winer and/or Mark Pilgrim, two fellows who I am sure are hardworking, capable, HUMAN fellows who work hard, hug their pets, have swell weblogs,\\u00A0 and have better things to do than to follow a bunch of rantings in the lower reaches of the comments page on this weblog.\\u00A0 I'm now supposed to show you my pen... er, qualifications?\\u00A0 Once again, in Alcoholish, MY weeblogg is kalled Feefoam Goodneth bekuz thatz the kname ov the radeeo stayshun it goes along with.\\u00A0 It has nothing to do with the length (or girth) of my teckno-entrepreneureall skillz.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"I'm finished commenting on this page (I'm sure no one else cares to argue with your crazy ass, and I doubt anyone else is reading this.) 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Now my writing is supposed to be a soldier in the fight for Web \\\"standards.\\\" Help. 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It's clear that things are changing.\\u00A0 It's clear that first of all, \\\"the web\\\" is evolving from a tangled mess of html to something... more.\\u00A0 I won't use the \\\"S\\\" word, but theres more interconnected well-formedness out there today than there ever was.\\u00A0 I'll consider it a trend.\\u00A0 I also feel that the browser isn't what it used to be.\\u00A0 just passively displaying HTML isn't good enough.\\u00A0 Integrate search. Integrate bidirectional linking.\\u00A0 Integrate discovery, mining, and dynamism.\\u00A0 Seperate content from service from presentation. Exciting. Operating systems aern't what they used to be.\\u00A0 Productivity isn't what it used to be. TV isn't what it used to be. 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You \",[\"b\",{},[\"don't\"]],\" know me very well, and You don't know what \\\"my problem\\\" is a-tall, in this case, unless You choose to keep reading this blog-as-comment the rest-a the way):\"]],\"\\n\",[\"blockquote\",{},[[\"p\",{},[\"\\n\\\"maybe, just maybe, some of the people that got us here will be left in the dust.\\u00A0 Winds of change, and all that.\\u00A0 Would it be the first time?\\\"\\n\"]]]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"There's still a WHOLE lotta personally-against-Dave-Winer-attitude in the technical debate.\\u00A0 Some of it's getting just a li'l more subtle, and some not.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"There's no \\\"maybe\\\" about the above, and yes change is a constant...\\u00A0 But change is so frequently \\\"one step forward and two steps backwards\\\", that I hope, for the most part, that the experienced hands are \",[\"i\",{},[\"not\"]],\" just left in the dust, \",[\"i\",{},[\"merely\"]],\" because they \",[\"i\",{},[\"do have the experience\"]],\" and they've put themselves so \\\"out there\\\" in doing their thinking-out-loud thing for so long.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Lotta \\\"young turks\\\" out there who aren't in the same league, let alone ball park, with those they are criticizing...\\u00A0 Those that are, are the exception.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"At any rate, it's hard-ta separate the technical issues from the personality issues, at times.\\u00A0 And the issue of lock-in is important, but somewhat complex.\"]],\"\\n\",[\"p\",{},[\"Those are the main points I'm gonna harp on, if I have time.\"]]]]]],\"\\n \",[\"updated\",{},[\"2003-04-20T16:29:00-04:00\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n\\n \",[\"entry\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"id\",{},[\"tag:intertwingly.net,2004:1345-1050893322\"]],\"\\n \",[\"link\",{\"href\":\"2003/04/19/Matrix-reloaded#c1050875322\"},[]],\"\\n \",[\"author\",{},[\"\\n \",[\"method\",{\"xmlns\":\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/\"},[\"trackback\"]],\"\\n \",[\"name\",{},[\"Sam Ruby\"]],\"\\n \",[\"uri\",{},[\"http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1347.html\"]],\"\\n \"]],\"\\n \",[\"title\",{},[\"Metadiscussion\"]],\"\\n \",[\"content\",{},[\"Winer ranted.\\u00A0 Pilgrim parodied.\\u00A0 I admired. 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Everyone gets called an asshole by Dave Winer but me. I don't really understand (and don't really care) what all of the fuss is about but I so want that status symbol... 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